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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Menegola not making Geelong team is a shock for me.

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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Geel/Frem:
    Int; Mackie, Menzel, Murdoch, Ruggles.
    Emerg; Lang, Menegola, Thurlow.
    (Guthrie withdrew from Thurs named 25, replaced by Lang).

    Final Sunday teams:
    Fremantle v Geel Cats:
    Int; Blakely, Suban, Tucker, Weller.
    Emerg; Sheridan, Crozier, Taberner.

    Final Sunday teams
    WCoast v NMelb:
    Int; Masten, Redden, Petrie, Hutchings.
    Emerg; Sheed, Barrass, Schofield.

    Final Sunday teams:
    NMelb v WCoast:
    Int; Thompson, Turner, Gibson, Brown.
    Emerg; Clarke, Vickers-Willis, Durdin.

    Final Sunday teams:
    GWS Giants v Adel Crows:
    Int; Smith, Taranto, Buntine, Mzungu.
    Emerg; Reid, Simpson, Wilson.

    Final R1 Sunday teams named:
    Adel Crows v GWS Giants
    Int; Hampton, Otten, Milera, Menzel.
    Emerg: Knight, Poholke, O’Brien.
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    Final R1 Sunday teams named:
    Adel Crows v GWS Giants
    Int; Hampton, Otten, Milera, Menzel.
    Emerg: Knight, Poholke, O’Brien.

    Pretty shocked to see Menzel named, I thought his JLT series was pretty mediocre. Poholke being EMG hints that he might get a run later in the year but we've got Brad Crouch to come back into our best 22.

    I think Knight makes his way into our B22 once he gets his fitness up.
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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by pvcyclone View Post
    Just on this pretty sure he was highest or one of the very highest rates in the JLT and also in his AFL games at the Swans, so not necessarily an anomaly.
    Has got nice hands and lefties tend to get an advantage quite often as it's an unusual attack angle for other ruckmen. That said I wouldn't read too much into it yet. He faced a half of Jacobs, who hasn't been good for a couple of years, Port and Collingwood and now Carlton. He's faced just about the worst tap ruckmen in the league so far with Richmond and his time at Sydney was spent beating up on 2nd rucks, who he should beat in most circumstances as a genuine ruckman rather than a forward ruck like most teams employ.

    Very promising start though and he showed that he can score in multiple ways which is very handy as well. Was also good that Griffiths more than held his own as the backup as it would be ideal if he can keep any of the other ruck options out of the side. Will be interesting to see if his HOtA numbers can hold up when he starts facing some of the better tap ruckman and also if he can get an advantage against them around the ground and score better in that area. Very good start for a guy who only needs to average 95, imo.
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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Huh so Ben Brown makes the final team alongside Goldy, Waite and Pruess. Goldy legit ruck share?
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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Quick thoughts on the Pies vs Dogs game, didn't get to watch the 2nd half as closely as I'd have liked but still enough to throw down some thoughts.

    Dogs - They were super efficient and nice and physical for mine. Just really took advantage of the Dogs turnovers and kicked a lot of 50/50 goals, good teams take their chances but I thought the Pies were the better side for the majority of the game in most areas. Had my fears confirmed in some ways that they might just have too many cooks in the kitchen from a fantasy perspective, so much depth everywhere basically.

    Macrae - Started the game in the middle and had a very decent role, will be among the top forward scorers in both formats though is a clearly stronger DT option still in my mind.

    Libba - Role wasn't ideal, still playing the HFF role he played last year with more forward time than midfield time. Would be surprised if he is relevant.

    JJ - Spent the 3rd quarter (iirc) forward and was back in the 1st half, didn't truly notice his role in the last but he looked in great nick. Will be a strong target for an early upgrade in both formats on that kind of performance.

    Picken - Love the way he plays, not fantasy relevant but do enjoy it.

    Hunter - Spent a lot of time forward from what I could tell, wont be fantasy relevant in that kind of role either.

    Dahlhaus - Great roaming role but he had his butcher boots on today, still reckon his DT will remain around what he did tonight and he'll get his ratio to the slightly above 1 that he's been at for his career because he's a class player.

    Suckling - Slutty floating role for him all night, seemed to be on the wing to me but hard to tell as he never stands near anyone! Could be fantasy relevant if you could back him to stay fit.

    Bontempelli - He really is a CD darling, didn't think he was any better than a 1:1 type game tonight, nothing about his stat line supports that kind of ratio, just feels like a typical "give the leftover to Bont" type of score. Can't fight that though and he did play a nice game and looks in good nick also. Solid shot at top 5 if he keeps getting that treatment because he'll have big games. No way in my eyes his game was better than Pendlebury, Howe or Sidebottom in particular from the who I would expect a ratio like that from list.

    Boyd - Started forward, went back at times. Basically to me it seemed that JJ, Boyd and Murphy all spent significant time forward and really other than JJ who kicked a couple of goals, they all get a bit hurt by that as they'll all score much better down back.

    Murphy - Basically ditto, that time share system scares me on the older two in particular as they'll likely have a rest or two thanks to it.

    Cloke - Not fantasy relevant I wouldn't think but it was nice to see him not playing as a stay at home full forward and back at more of a CHF roaming role as a hitup target. Also looked much fitter as he looked to have a physique much more like his glory years, he basically played the exact role that was missing from the Pies tonight...

    Pies - Thought they played really well and were the more physical and combative side. There problem is they have nothing up forward and it's going to be an ongoing problem because Moore and Cox aren't going to become good overnight, they're both long term projects with potential but very little in the current, neither of them has the slightest clue about leading patterns and Jesse White is just as bad so they just lead into each other, makes it very hard on the midfielders to hit targets, even Pendles and Sidebottom who are elite ball users really struggled to do much other than bomb long and hope and the poorer ball users in Treloar and Adams flat out struggled trying to hit targets. Blair is their best leading target right now, which is a massive concern but I thought they were very good through the middle and that their defense did a really good job given it was often outnumbered and out of position due to turnovers as the midfielders tried to hold onto the ball too long praying for a forward target. Going to be tough on the midfielders.

    Adams - Fantastic game, he's a butcher but I think they were harsh on him ratio wise, he was a clearance machine tonight and worked his butt off for the Pies. Still, showed exactly why people took him. Just needs to stay fit is going to be the saying all year.

    Pendles - Yeah, his achilles is absolutely fine, got better as the game went on. His ratio seems absolutely brutal when compared to Bonts, he was better in every single way, it's those kind of comparisons in the same game that will forever leave me having no real clue how the SC scoring system works. 12 extra contested possession, 9 more clearances and 2 more tackles is worth 26 points, if I had Pendles I'd be filthy at that ratio. He was phenomenal.

    Treloar - Now to the one that I do have that I'm filthy on the ratio. Another that just leaves me not understanding the system at all. Yes he had a few clangers but the rest of that game should still have been a 1:1 ratio at worst and realistically a positive one. His 4 extra clangers were basically a 50 point swing on Bonts score in comparison. It's just hard to understand sometimes. On a positive, he played really, really well with a few bad kicks while under pressure. They wont face many teams that bring the pressure the Dogs did and he's usually classy so no issues with him, role was ideal and looks great. I'd back him to be a 1:1 or better guy on the season so just cop what was, imo, a brutal ratio and move on...

    Sidebottom - Great game for him, spent a lot of time forward to me but was great up there for the team and it didn't hurt him this week. Still think he's a legitimate fantasy option that's going to post great numbers one year, probably this year given no one here took him for the first time ever...

    Fasolo - Really good game by him, has done this many times in the past. He's got great forward craft but he's got 3 big buffoons that ruin it far too often by bringing packs with them. I'd almost be isolating Fasolo one out in the F50 if I was Bucks and have the speedsters run towards him, tell the big guys to push up the ground and create packs, where they can attack from them instead of get attacked from them and give him the space to use his leading ability to get set shots. Super game though, especially the first half.

    Howe - Was fantastic, can't believe his ratio either, I'd have thought 6 or 7 of his marks were contested intercept marks, he surely had a couple of rebound 50s, he used the ball very well and he somehow has a negative ratio. Again, if I'd picked him I'd be absolutely filthy on that. That was the kind of game where I see a 114:150 ratio and just nod my head going, yeah that's about right if not a bit conservative but negative ratio, gtfo. He's absolutely in my upgrade plans so I'd like a quiet game or two No pressure Laird but that's 105 and 107 from the two guys I took you over

    WHE - Fantastic game from him, if he can back that up he's a guy you think about structuring up for because he was everywhere and seemed to finally be backing up his talent. Didn't realise that this was legitimately his first AFL preseason, that's crazy. Did so many good things and his role looked top notch, high HFF to wing type role.

    Grundy - Nice scramble by him to get a score out in the end. Saw nothing from him to suggest he's a markedly improved ruckman so still think he's a bit of a DT specialist but it's always good when a guy gets his junk on.


    Think that's the fantasy relevant guys, in my eyes anyway. Was a much better game of football tonight, Pies actually looked alright but they're very reliant on the midfield, half their goals came from the midfield or backs, but they were super physical and I reckon they've got the perfect 4 person midfield with not much support to ensure that all 4 can be fantasy relevant while the Dogs and their 10 man brigade are going to make it very hard on the midfield classified guys to be relevant with only Bonts a chance, imo, and even restrict the forward and back guys to not being able to go super premium though they all look good chances to be solid premiums.

    Was good to have the real footy back after last nights game!
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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Was at the game last night but found it pretty boring, I think I just like watching footy more on TV as I can get a far better idea of what's going on.

    Grundy disappeared in the 3rd but managed to save himself with some good junk in the 4th. Little annoyed that I put the VC on him instead of Adams as I considered the two for a bit before thinking Grundy v no ruck would kill it. Thought Cox was in the ruck quite a bit with Grundy just roaming around in the middle but I'm not sure of the numbers as to whether it was an excessive amount or about normal for the ruck relief.

    Pendles was classy infront of goals. Thought Treloar would have finished on a bigger DT score as he seemed to be getting plenty of it.

    One Cloke v Grundy centre bounce ruck contest was very

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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by dylan123 View Post
    Was at the game last night but found it pretty boring, I think I just like watching footy more on TV as I can get a far better idea of what's going on.

    Grundy disappeared in the 3rd but managed to save himself with some good junk in the 4th. Little annoyed that I put the VC on him instead of Adams as I considered the two for a bit before thinking Grundy v no ruck would kill it. Thought Cox was in the ruck quite a bit with Grundy just roaming around in the middle but I'm not sure of the numbers as to whether it was an excessive amount or about normal for the ruck relief.

    Pendles was classy infront of goals. Thought Treloar would have finished on a bigger DT score as he seemed to be getting plenty of it.

    One Cloke v Grundy centre bounce ruck contest was very
    I know two games is only a very small sample size but how do we think the new third man up rules are impacting scoring?

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    Re: Round 1 2017

    I might be in the minority here, but I thought Treloar's ratio was pretty generous. Not an awful game, but he got there with sheer weight of numbers. Plus, apart from the goal he didn't really have an amazing third term when the game was won.

    I'm not sure about Bont though, I thought it was a 95-type game. He's looking ominous, will hopefully be one of my first upgrades. I think the stage might be set for a 125 season.

    Pendlebury is a sublime footballer. Would still have him in my top five in the comp. Worked into the game brilliantly and thought it was a 160-type game.

    As wogi mentioned, Macrae's role is excellent. He just hasn't got the game for SC at the moment. He does the sort of things that aren't all that well-rewarded, like slowing the game down when needed and finding those targets that others wouldn't. A bit like Sam Mitchell.

    I thought we were a bit off the pace yesterday, but one positive is that it's shown that we do have a plan if we're getting monstered in the middle.

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    Re: Round 1 2017

    I thought Bont's score was fine. He was probably the best player on the ground in the 3rd quarter which is when the game was won. CD love that kind of thing and it is the most impressive trait in Bont's arsenal. The timing of raising your performance to the tempo of the match.

    Treloar got hosed, he was pretty good. Via sheer weight of numbers he should have been higher.

    WHE is the only guy that I'm wishing I had right now. I'm considering dumping Witts to leave the cash to get him for Pickett in R3. Very impressive score and role.
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    Agree on WHE for sure, I didnt give him much consideration preseason but he looked very good. Like Wogi I had no idea this was his first ever full preseason of training - thats ridiculous! If I had known that he definitely would have been in consideration. Have kept a little bit of a bank to get on whichever of the expensive "rooks" looked the best and WHE is leading the pack right now.

    The scores last night were super weird. Treloar on something like 29 at half time from around 70 DT and Bob Murphy had low 20 SC from 12 possessions at 100% DE - and that makes zero sense at all. With Treloar he sometimes gets real bad ratios because a heap of possessions are short kicks which arent worth much, but his bad kicks are horrendous clangers. Still, happy with how he looked and im pretty sure this will be the outlier.

    Adams was great, really happy I made the last minute decision to go with him. Disposal is bloody ordinary but he just gets so much of it he will score well in SC.

    Howe another who had an interesting night. I missed a fair chunk of the second half, but in the first half he was ordinary. Had no intercept marks, wasnt covering the ground well and looked to be just following a man rather than doing his spare man thing. From memory he was on 36/27 at half time, so he had a monster second half. Start of the third he got quite a few intercept marks, good to see him able to recover a poor score.

    Was surprised to see Bonts get the score he did TBH. It seemed he was most involved in the game when Doggies pulled away during the third so maybe he just got a heap of scaling.

    Agree with Wogi that the Dogs have too many cooks when it comes to fantasy scoring. They have so many that can rotate through the mids that its hard to pick them with any certainty. Bonts and Dahlhaus are the main two I feel, mainly by virtue of the fact that they are both such dangerous forwards that the rotation doesnt hurt them like it does for others.
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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Just on the roles of JJ, M.Boyd, Murphy and Suckling. From last year to this, we're missing Dickson, C.Smith and Dunkley and have brought in Murphy and Suckling. With that current balance we have too many HBF players and too few HFF players, so each of them rotated to the wing and HFF at times during the game. If the current lineup stays the same, I would expect that to continue in future games, however, if and when Dickson and Smith come back in, the HBF's will probably then stay HBF/wing rather than pushing to HFF.

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    From what I saw Treloar picked up a lot of cheapies, had little impact on the game for mine.

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    From what I saw Treloar picked up a lot of cheapies, had little impact on the game for mine.

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    Re: Round 1 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by divvydan View Post
    Just on the roles of JJ, M.Boyd, Murphy and Suckling. From last year to this, we're missing Dickson, C.Smith and Dunkley and have brought in Murphy and Suckling. With that current balance we have too many HBF players and too few HFF players, so each of them rotated to the wing and HFF at times during the game. If the current lineup stays the same, I would expect that to continue in future games, however, if and when Dickson and Smith come back in, the HBF's will probably then stay HBF/wing rather than pushing to HFF.
    Was noteworthy though for mine that I don't reckon the Dogs are even sure of who their best group is. Normally you'd pick one guy and get him into the role and let the others be a bit more stable. Worth watching, could be a case where Boyd/JJ have a quiet game or two up forward and then when those names do return and they pick a more stable back six they might be very good as an upgrade target.


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    From what I saw Treloar picked up a lot of cheapies, had little impact on the game for mine.
    He had a fair few "cheapies" but he also had 11CP, 6 clearances and a pretty important goal, would have a few score assists as well from what I saw as well as a bunch of I50s. I don't think it was a phenomenal game but it certainly felt like a 1:1 game to me.
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