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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by pvcyclone View Post
    The BBL comp has a rolling lockout, but they did away with emergencies this year. So you still get the bench score if someone misses but there's a lot less opportunity for loophole abuse.
    It was still possible to play the loopholes, but it requires 2 donuts on a line rather than just the 1. It's a much better system imo.
    Just to add you got the lowest score from your bench as long as they played.
    The other thing is if you didn't want to take the score of your loopholed player it required a trade, wasn't too bad in BBL where you get 3 but in AFL burning a trade would come at a bigger cost.

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    The bad thing with getting rid of emergencies is it then requires you to check the teams before every single match to ensure you don't have a late out which is just a pain in the ass.

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by dylan123 View Post
    The bad thing with getting rid of emergencies is it then requires you to check the teams before every single match to ensure you don't have a late out which is just a pain in the ass.
    Yeah, which is why I said it worked better in NFL when 80% of the games started at the same time
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by dylan123 View Post
    The bad thing with getting rid of emergencies is it then requires you to check the teams before every single match to ensure you don't have a late out which is just a pain in the ass.
    how so? You don't get a 0 if a player is a late out, you just get the lowest score of the guys on your bench that play. It's effectively an auto-emergency system.

    So last year for example you might've had Saad and Oxley down back with say Kade Simpson on the ground. Last year if you had another not playing, you'd put the emg on whoever played first and tried to work the loophole between Saad and Oxley. If Simpson were a late out, you'd just play both.

    But if there were no emergencies, you couldn't play the loophole between Saad and Oxley as if you put both on the bench you'd get the lowest scorer of the two. Then if Simpson were a late out one or both would come off the bench as in the above. Literally the only difference assuming you didn't burn a trade is the prevention of playing the emg loophole.

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Maybe even have full lockout & if any player who was named prior to lockout is a late out you get said players current average or even historical average versus that weeks opponent (perhaps even whichever one is higher). I mean you were going into the round planning on playing that dude anyway.
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by pvcyclone View Post
    how so? You don't get a 0 if a player is a late out, you just get the lowest score of the guys on your bench that play. It's effectively an auto-emergency system.

    So last year for example you might've had Saad and Oxley down back with say Kade Simpson on the ground. Last year if you had another not playing, you'd put the emg on whoever played first and tried to work the loophole between Saad and Oxley. If Simpson were a late out, you'd just play both.

    But if there were no emergencies, you couldn't play the loophole between Saad and Oxley as if you put both on the bench you'd get the lowest scorer of the two. Then if Simpson were a late out one or both would come off the bench as in the above. Literally the only difference assuming you didn't burn a trade is the prevention of playing the emg loophole.
    That was more in relation to the suggestion of just getting rid of it rather then how the BBL do it.

    Doesn't seem like the worst system although you're then almost penalised for having a stronger bench by getting the lesser scorer (so say you've got a KP guy who will be playing most weeks but not scoring well, you're then forced to take that score every time an emg fills in which sucks).

    I just think everyone is on a far more even playing field with the full lockout although I'd never considered the issues for people such as Wogi in WA with the bad timezone. Maybe partial to the first match on Saturday where it then goes into a full lockout would work for me in that instance.

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Wogitalia View Post
    Huh? The final teams for every game are released at exactly the same time without fail. It's one of the few things the AFL gets right every time and can absolutely be planned for. Sure sometimes there is an ultra late out that is irregular but even that is easy to have a notification for these days.

    Anyone who doesn't know every out as they happen has made the conscious choice to not access that information.
    is this an incoherency-off?

    you guys are nuts. rumours start through out the week/weekend, they get confirmed, ruled out at different times. that's unstructured, and the only way around it is the only thing that is plainly unfair to all sides - that people should be hanging out 8 times a weekend, waiting for late outs 15 minutes before each of the 8 games.

    that's not a game of skill, it's a game of grinding, undistracted effort. and it's an unfair standard, but like 30 trades it favours the willing not the good.
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Crow-mo View Post
    is this an incoherency-off?

    you guys are nuts. rumours start through out the week/weekend, they get confirmed, ruled out at different times. that's unstructured, and the only way around it is the only thing that is plainly unfair to all sides - that people should be hanging out 8 times a weekend, waiting for late outs 15 minutes before each of the 8 games.

    that's not a game of skill, it's a game of grinding, undistracted effort. and it's an unfair standard, but like 30 trades it favours the willing not the good.
    Still remember starting that Rockliff rumour in R23 i think it was about him being a late out, and then he really was glad i benched him that week, People on twitter thought i had inside info LOL
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Crow-mo View Post
    is this an incoherency-off?

    you guys are nuts. rumours start through out the week/weekend, they get confirmed, ruled out at different times. that's unstructured, and the only way around it is the only thing that is plainly unfair to all sides - that people should be hanging out 8 times a weekend, waiting for late outs 15 minutes before each of the 8 games.

    that's not a game of skill, it's a game of grinding, undistracted effort. and it's an unfair standard, but like 30 trades it favours the willing not the good.

    Who cares about the rumours. There is an iron clad release of information at the same point before every match. Incredibly fair for all involved, you can ignore the rumours all week and still tune in at the same time before a match to see what is actually going on.

    If you're not interested in that you don't have to check in at each one. I don't check in before every game but I don't go screaming that is unfair when I don't. I just prioritised whatever else I was doing at the time. Which is fine and if someone else was there to capitalise on it good on them, they deserved to not get screwed over.

    There's more skill in reacting to a situation as it is presented than being locked into an outdated plan from Friday's lockout based on old information. You essentially want a less skillful game in that regard. Which is fine if that is your mindset, but don't go around mislabeling it as unfair or unskillful because you have a different preference.
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Crow-mo View Post
    that's not a game of skill, it's a game of grinding, undistracted effort.
    Summed up nicely.

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Sledge #32 View Post
    Who cares about the rumours. There is an iron clad release of information at the same point before every match. Incredibly fair for all involved, you can ignore the rumours all week and still tune in at the same time before a match to see what is actually going on.

    If you're not interested in that you don't have to check in at each one. I don't check in before every game but I don't go screaming that is unfair when I don't. I just prioritised whatever else I was doing at the time. Which is fine and if someone else was there to capitalise on it good on them, they deserved to not get screwed over.

    There's more skill in reacting to a situation as it is presented than being locked into an outdated plan from Friday's lockout based on old information. You essentially want a less skillful game in that regard. Which is fine if that is your mindset, but don't go around mislabeling it as unfair or unskillful because you have a different preference.
    Most people do because either DT Talk or Supercoach late mail/Rumor give them out and people listen, some turn out true and some are just rubbish, and with no rolling lockout in RDT it kinda helps if you make the right call on that late rumour.
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Notorious_29 View Post
    Summed up nicely.
    Except it's not entirely true.

    I'll grant you there's more skill in the act of picking a captain. As we both agree VC loophole sucks. But there's nothing more skillful about trading in Bonts on a friday just to see him a late withdrawal on Sunday. That's just bullshit that could have been avoided.
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    Quote Originally Posted by Damion23 View Post
    Still remember starting that Rockliff rumour in R23 i think it was about him being a late out, and then he really was glad i benched him that week, People on twitter thought i had inside info LOL
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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

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    Re: Real Dream Team Launching 2nd Feb

    #FreeDamo
    The eBert era is over

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