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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    With all the limitations placed on the free agency I doubt we will see any elite players moving. It seems to be more good ordinary players that this rule will affect.

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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by divvydan View Post
    What does his grandfathering provision mean? I haven't seen that term used before.
    sorry I didn't mean FS.

    I meant how you integrate existing legacy players into new provisions. for example, to be a 10yr unrestricted, its suggesting you need to have gone through restricted FA first (if yo uare a top 10 paid player). So in Goddard's case he didn't have that option, so how is that to be treated,
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    There was some debate about how 10+ years players are going to be treated but if we take a fairly literal interpretation of the rules as written, it suggests that the first time you come out of contract after 8+ years, you'll be judged by the top 10 wages rule, regardless if that's after 8 years or after 15. Now the issue is that many players will have had a new contract in that time already but because rules hadn't been formed, they won't have had to go through the restricted free agency section.

    So, in theory, Goddard should only be available for restricted free agency this year but the AFL haven't come out and said so in relation to the news articles and given how the AFL operates, that's never a good sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow-mo View Post
    sorry I didn't mean FS.

    I meant how you integrate existing legacy players into new provisions. for example, to be a 10yr unrestricted, its suggesting you need to have gone through restricted FA first (if yo uare a top 10 paid player). So in Goddard's case he didn't have that option, so how is that to be treated,
    I guess we'll find out when the AFL declares its list of restricted & unrestricted free agents in march
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    And If goddard isn't unrestricted I imagine we'll hear from the AFLPA

    Although if rumours about STK's cap are to be believed it might not make any difference
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Would Goddard really leave? I don't see it myself. I guess it will depend on how deep St Kilda get into September.

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    Why wouldn't he necessarily leave?

    The AFLPA have fought tooth n nail for this.

    Not saying he will go, but I don't see any reason for the players to fight for self determination if they weren't serious about making the most of it?

    Plus he met with a couple of teams prior to the trade period just been
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    I just thought that if St Kilda succeed moderately this year then he wouldn't leave. From what you said however he will go.

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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberboy0618 View Post
    I just thought that if St Kilda succeed moderately this year then he wouldn't leave. From what you said however he will go.


    not necessarily, but I think its safe to say he'll certainly think about it. and that he's thinking about it now.

    Players have fought very hard for choice, and that includes staying put. but they won't take any decision lightly, and I don't think Goddard will stay lightly. i.e. it will need to be a very good contract, and he'll need to see onfield results and potential etc. and as he is one of the league's best players that strikes me as fair.

    lastly I think you'll see the first of real salary dump trades this year, where teams try to make space for guys like this. GWS & GCS have just proven that players will move for good deals.
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    The Herald Sun published a club-by-club list today containing the players it thinks are eligible for some form of free agency at season's end. Note that the official list won't be available until March 20 and some of the nuances of the system are still being worked out. Feel free to point out any factual errors:

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226278832964

    ADELAIDE

    Chris Knights: 8 years, out of contract
    Michael Doughty: 12, out of contract
    Ben Rutten: 10, out of contract


    Nathan Van Berlo: 8, signed to 2013
    Graham Johncock: 12, signed to 2013
    Brent Reilly: 11, signed to 2013
    Scott Thompson: 8, signed to 2013VERDICT: The Crows will be almost untouched by free agency. Ben Rutten has clocked up 10 years, but you don’t get the feeling he would be tempted. There may be some interest from Victorian clubs in Chris Knights, who is classified a restricted free agent.


    BRISBANE LIONS

    Josh Drummond: 8, out of contract
    Jed Adcock: 9, out of contract
    Daniel Merrett: 10, out of contract
    Ashley McGrath: 12, out of contract
    Jonathan Brown: 13, has option for 2013
    Simon Black: 15, has clause for 2013
    VERDICT: Brown and Black are stalwarts who, depending on the club’s development this year, may seek a move to a club in the premiership mode. Drummond, Adcock and Merrett are injury-prone, but the Lions would be loathe to lose.


    CARLTON
    Jordan Russell: 8, out of contract
    Heath Scotland: 9, out of contract
    Bret Thornton: 10, out of contract
    Andrew Carrazzo: 8, signed to 2013
    Andrew Walker: 9, signed to 2014
    Kade Simpson: 10, signed to 2014
    Jarrad Waite: 11, signed to 2014
    VERDICT: Carlton’s list management team has ensured most of its veterans are locked away, but they may have to work hard to retain Russell, who is only 25 and is unlikely to be in the club’s top 10 paid players, therefore is available to any other club.


    COLLINGWOOD
    Travis Cloke: 8, out of contract
    Nick Maxwell: 8, out of contract
    Heath Shaw: 9, out of contract
    Ben Johnson: 13, out of contract
    Dane Swan: 11, signed to 2014
    VERDICT: The Pies have three stars out of contract on a restricted basis, but it may be costly to keep them. Rivals such as GWS would be stupid not to throw heaven and earth at Cloke, still just 24. Then the salary cap may come into play.


    ESSENDON
    Angus Monfries: 8, out of contract
    Henry Slattery: 8, out of contract
    Nathan Lovett-Murray: 8, out of contract
    Brent Stanton: 9, out of contract
    Ricky Dyson: 9, out of contract
    David Hille: 12, out of contract
    Mark McVeigh: 14, out of contract
    Jason Winderlich: 10, signed to 2013
    Jobe Watson: 10, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Stanton would attract serious interest if he was still out of contract at year’s end, but it’s hard to see him moving. The rest need big seasons to improve their currency.


    FREMANTLE
    Ryan Crowley: 8, out of contract
    Luke McPharlin: 11, out of contract
    Antoni Grover: 14, out of contract
    Michael Johnson: 8, signed to 2013
    Matthew Pavlich: 13, signed to 2014
    David Mundy: 9, signed to 2014
    Aaron Sandilands: 10, signed to 2014
    VERDICT: The Dockers have already paid the king’s ransom on Pavlich, Mundy and Sandilands, their three highest-paid players, so are almost immune. McPharlin is a veteran playing out his career with the Dockers.


    GEELONG
    Shannon Byrnes: 9, out of contract
    Steve Johnson: 11, out of contract
    Josh Hunt: 12, out of contract
    Paul Chapman: 13, out of contract
    Corey Enright: 13, out of contract
    Tom Lonergan: 10, signed to 2013
    James Kelly: 11, signed to 2014
    Andrew Mackie: 11, signed to 2014
    Jimmy Bartel: 11, signed to 2015
    Joel Corey: 13, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Seven players as free agents is cause for alarm, but Matthew Scarlett and David Wojcinski will most likely retire and free up salary-cap room. Johnson signed a three-year deal after seven seasons, and is now out again.


    HAWTHORN
    Tom Murphy: 8, out of contract
    Clinton Young: 8, out of contract
    Brad Sewell: 10, out of contract
    Michael Osborne: 11, out of contract
    Chance Bateman: 12, out of contract
    Lance Franklin: 8, signed to 2013
    Jarryd Roughead: 8, signed to 2014
    Luke Hodge: 11, signed to 2013
    Sam Mitchell: 12, option for 2013
    VERDICT: Sewell is the worry. If a side in need of a hard midfielder wanted the 28-year-old and could pay overs, how could he say no? And tellingly, how could Hawthorn ever hope to match any figure above $400,000?


    MELBOURNE
    Brent Moloney: 8, out of contract
    Matthew Bate: 8, out of contract
    Lynden Dunn: 8, out of contract
    Mark Jamar: 10, out of contract
    Jared Rivers: 10, out of contract
    Brad Green: 13, out of contract
    Colin Sylvia: 9, signed to 2013
    Aaron Davey: 9, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: A club like Melbourne with huge salary-cap room should actually benefit from free agency. But having Jamar and Moloney out of contract is far from ideal. Bate and Dunn could be ideal pick-ups as unrestricted free agents.


    NORTH MELBOURNE
    Brent Harvey: 17, out of contract
    Michael Firrito: 9, out of contract
    Drew Petrie: 12, signed to 2013
    Daniel Wells: 10, signed to 2013
    Hamish McIntosh: 10, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: North has its key players tucked away nicely, given it has a young list with only a handful of quality veterans. Petrie signed again recently to take away any potential suitors.


    PORT ADELAIDE

    Jacob Surjan: 8, out of contract
    Troy Chaplin: 9, out of contract
    Brett Ebert: 10, out of contract
    Steven Salopek: 10, out of contract
    Domenic Cassisi: 12, out of contract
    Kane Cornes: 12, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Port does not disclose contract lengths, which makes predictions difficult. But after just three wins in 2011, few clubs would hold too much interest in their list. Chaplin, at 26, might be the exception who needs offer-matching.


    RICHMOND
    Brett Deledio: 8, out of contract
    Nathan Foley: 8, out of contract
    Luke McGuane: 8 out of contract
    Kelvin Moore: 9, out of contract
    Shane Tuck: 9, out of contract
    Daniel Jackson: 9, signed to 2013
    Chris Newman: 12, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Deledio, still only 24, is the worry. If an opposition club came with an $800,000-a-season offer, the Tigers could still match it under the rules, but they don’t want to get into a bidding war. Same applies to Nathan Foley.


    ST KILDA
    Raphael Clarke: 9, out of contract
    Sam Fisher: 9, out of contract
    Brendon Goddard: 10, out of contract
    Leigh Montagna: 11, out of contract
    Justin Koschitzke: 11, out of contract
    Lenny Hayes: 14, out of contract
    Stephen Milne: 12, signed to 2013
    Jason Gram: 9, signed to 2013
    Nick Dal Santo: 11, signed to 2013
    Nick Riewoldt: 11, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: The problem is not just that GWS is reputedly considering Goddard. It is that Fisher and Montagna are both out of contract as well. Can the Saints keep all three?


    SYDNEY
    Jarred Moore: 8, out of contract
    Nick Malceski: 10, out of contract
    Jarrad McVeigh: 10, out of contract
    Jude Bolton: 14, out of contract
    Ryan O’Keefe: 12, out of contract
    Lewis Roberts-Thomson: 11, signed to 2013
    Adam Goodes: 15, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Sydney will be fine under free agency, because it never loses players it wants, and it has extra salary-cap space to keep them if rivals do come. The more pertinent issue is who the Swans can lure.


    WEST COAST
    Matt Rosa: 8, out of contract
    Mark Nicoski: 10, out of contract
    Quinten Lynch: 10, out of contract
    Daniel Kerr: 12, out of contract
    Darren Glass: 13, out of contract
    Sam Butler: 9, signed to 2013
    Mark LeCras: 8, signed to 2014
    Beau Waters: 9, signed to 2013
    Adam Selwood: 10, signed to 2013
    Dean Cox: 12, signed to 2013
    Andrew Embley: 14, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: Surely West Coast’s resurgence means those players who could leave for big cash or potential premierships will stay put. Hard to see the skipper Glass leaving, and if Kerr’s body holds up, he will be a top priority for the Eagles.


    WESTERN BULLDOGS

    Will Minson: 10, out of contract
    Lindsay Gilbee: 13, out of contract
    Ryan Hargrave: 13, out of contract
    Dale Morris: 8, signed to 2013
    Tom Williams: 8, signed to 2014
    Ryan Griffen: 8, signed to 2015
    Matthew Boyd: 9, signed to 2013
    Adam Cooney: 9, signed to 2013
    Brian Lake: 11, signed to 2013
    Daniel Cross: 11, signed to 2013
    Daniel Giansiracusa: 12, signed to 2013
    Robert Murphy: 13, signed to 2013
    VERDICT: The Dogs’ have already struck a blow against free agency, signing up Griffen. Most of their veterans are locked away until 2013. Only Minson could interest suitors if he has a big season.

    Top-10 paid player who has played at one club for eight or nine seasons and is out of contract:
    * Can field offers from rival clubs
    * Current club can match best offer
    * If the club matches offer, player must stay, seek a trade or enter the draft
    * If the club does not match offer, player can move to new club
    * Original club receives compensation pick for the loss of the player, based on AFL formula
    Player who has served 10 or more seasons at one club
    * Can field offers from rival clubs
    * Original club does not have right to match offer
    * Player can move automatically to new club
    * Original club receives compensation pick for the loss of the player, based on AFL formula
    Bottom-30 paid player who has played at one club for eight or nine seasons and is out of contract
    * Can field offers from rival clubs
    * Current club does not have right to match best offer
    * Player can move automatically to new club
    * Original club receives compensation pick for the loss of the player, based on AFL formula

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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Russell and Rosa strike me as the best "moneyball" type options, while Deledio and Goddard are the most likely stars for a club in a premiership window (or about to be).
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    Yeah, I would be surprised if either Rosa or Russell were in their respective top 10 earners this year.

    WCE- I'd have; Glass, Cox, Kerr, Embley, Lynch, A.Selwood, Priddis, Waters, LeCras, and at least one of Hurn, Nicoski or Kennedy ahead in salary.

    Carl- I'd have; Judd, Scotland, Waite, Simpson, McLean, Walker, Jamison, Warnock, Murphy, and probably also at least one of Gibbs, Thornton, Carrazzo, Betts or Kreuzer


    Others that I could see possibly moving are;

    Salopek, Slattery, Byrnes, Young, Tuck and possibly Drummond if he thinks he needs a fresh start b/c of injuries, although I wouldn't expect them to improve elsewhere.

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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by divvydan View Post
    Yeah, I would be surprised if either Rosa or Russell were in their respective top 10 earners this year.

    WCE- I'd have; Glass, Cox, Kerr, Embley, Lynch, A.Selwood, Priddis, Waters, LeCras, and at least one of Hurn, Nicoski or Kennedy ahead in salary.

    Carl- I'd have; Judd, Scotland, Waite, Simpson, McLean, Walker, Jamison, Warnock, Murphy, and probably also at least one of Gibbs, Thornton, Carrazzo, Betts or Kreuzer


    Others that I could see possibly moving are;

    Salopek, Slattery, Byrnes, Young, Tuck and possibly Drummond if he thinks he needs a fresh start b/c of injuries, although I wouldn't expect them to improve elsewhere.
    All good shouts. I think we'll see a ton of lesser players going because clubs won't be able to say "we want a 2nd round pick or nothing" which would have been happening in the past (why bother trading a good ordinary player for a useless pick?).
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    there is a massive elephant in the room, which I think has been mentioned in another thread. AFL rules state that a player in top after 8 years eligible for restructed FA blah blah.
    After 10 years, in top 10 earners, unrestricted etc. however, to be unrestricted the rules state you need to have already been through restricted FA. so someone like Goddard who would ordinarily be unrestricted has never passed through the restricted phase.

    how will they rule on this for introduction of the rule? is Goddard restricted or unrestricted?

    the player who I would be very interested in is Jordan Russell. he is likely to unaffected, unrestricted and potentially open to offers
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    Re: Free Agency Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Crow-mo View Post
    there is a massive elephant in the room, which I think has been mentioned in another thread. AFL rules state that a player in top after 8 years eligible for restructed FA blah blah.
    After 10 years, in top 10 earners, unrestricted etc. however, to be unrestricted the rules state you need to have already been through restricted FA. so someone like Goddard who would ordinarily be unrestricted has never passed through the restricted phase.

    how will they rule on this for introduction of the rule? is Goddard restricted or unrestricted?

    the player who I would be very interested in is Jordan Russell. he is likely to unaffected, unrestricted and potentially open to offers
    Yeah, this was the issue I wasn't sure about and one that was never properly addressed by the AFL. Given the way the AFL site and the HS have reported it, it seems as though the 'having to have come out of contract once already after 8 years' won't apply in this situation.

    Here's the articles I'm using for that

    http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/defa...?newsid=128192
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/af...-1226278832964 (earlier this thread)


    The Age has echoed your confusion in its article today
    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-new...222-1toc7.html

    For Goddard, there remains a doubt about whether he is a restricted free agent - who St Kilda can retain by matching the best offer - or a completely ''unrestricted'' free agent, who can cross to the club of his choice. Others entering their 10th season could be in a similar position, with a doubt about their status and ability to move to the club of their choice.
    Goddard's management recently sought clarification. The initial ruling was that he was restricted, but the AFLPA believes that he should be unrestricted, according to the spirit of the rules it negotiated.
    Concerned clubs also have been seeking clarification about the rules, which have to be finalised soon given that the league is scheduled to release the names of all free agents - restricted and unrestricted - on March 20.

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